[Watchdogs] [Fwd: Re: An observant eye only]
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Thu Jul 31 02:44:08 CDT 2008
At 9:16 PM -0500 7/30/08, joesummy at moment.net wrote:
>I know the name. You can find out easily now. I'm not sure who financed
>it...the confirmation of the PR firm arose during the mediation over
>plaintiffs lawyers' fees. So, we, the members are paying for it. I will
>present the name at the right time, but probably won't have to because it
>should be out soon. However, you will not have a difficult time finding
>out if you ask the right reliable people that you and all members have
More evasion. If you have information, spill it - and the source.
Otherwise quit talking.
If in fact a PR firm did anything at all, I can say with confidence
that they were not hired by PEC4U. Nobody was ever hired by PEC4U
for anything. Everything that was done was undertaken voluntarily by
PEC members or supporters of PEC members (and I only say that last
part because I know that some folks who are probably not PEC members
lent some verbal support here and there).
>This was just my first suspicion because of this well-known tactic of
>special interest groups, politicians, etc. A spin is made to influence
>folk to make things appear BIGGER and WORST than they really are. To
>engage a large number of the people in group/think instead of careful
>In this tactic you try to defile and turn your opponents into
>villains...the nastier and more villainous the better. You have to admit
>this was effectively done.
Oh, you mean like you've tried to do repeatedly regarding what you
>*Then I went from a suspicion to an assumption that a PR firm was involved
>after the well orchestrated so called "members uprising" at the June 2007
>PEC Annual Meeting. Professionally done with just the right media people
>there to interview just the right Core/Members.
Or maybe PEC4U is just composed of competent and intelligent people...
>*Claudia Griesales of the Statesman was identified early in a 2007 email
>between the Core/Group members as one of 3 media people "good for a
>scandal". It was also about this time that Soifer of the Lawrence Law
>Firm, which represented the first plaintiff, contacted Roddy Stinson of
>the San Antonio Express to write a story for them. So I was not surprised
>when Claudia was the reporter.
Now you're claiming that Roddy Stinson's early article on PEC was
ghostwritten by lawyers?!?
Perhaps instead Stinson and Grisales saw a story and interviewed
those involved? Oh, no, couldn't be! That would mean that reporters
were actually investigating and reporting - in other words, doing
their jobs as journalists.
(I'm looking forward to hearing your theories on the Kennedy
>*Next, I went to research all the PR firms in Austin that might have the
>right expertize for such a propaganda event. One jumped out immediately as
>the one I would chose. Still just an assumption.
And it remains so to this day.
>*Then, 2 opportunistic politicians got involved (another PR tactic).
And a welcome surprise to PEC4U. They have their own agendas, which
likely include responding to their constituents, who were contacting
them and asking them to do something about PEC.
>*Then it was confirmed to me in the fall of 2007 that a PR firm was indeed
>involved (no name given).
Idle speculation. No citations of either the source or the firm.
>*I was able to obtain one source for the name of the firm in early winter
Idle speculation. No citations.
>*Finally, I was able to nail the name of the firm in late March which I
>had assumed in June of 2007. Amazing, even to me, that it was the exact
>same firm that I suspicion all along. Since then I have been able to
>verify it several more times from primary sources.
Idle speculation. No citations.
>*Then last week I received a call that the Core/Group was to have a
>surprise press conference at the PEC, and that the PR firm was still
Yes, there was a press conference. PR firm? Idle speculation.
>*The press conference did occur, no big deal. And I have not been able to
>confirm if the PR firm is still involved or not...certainly the Core/Group
>has the talented people now trained to do what the firm was doing.
>If I were to hire a firm to do exactly what has been done...this is the
>firm I would hire...It is that good.
>Now that I have solidly confirmed the name of PR firm you can do it easily.
Idle speculation. No citations.
>As far as innuendos, there have been many, and many more declarations of
>guilt. Anything I have written has been based on research and primary
>sources. In fact my original hypothesis was that Everyone one at the PEC
>Top management, board of directors,etc. were guilty of the worst civil and
>criminal crimes of which they were accused. I could not prove my
>hypothesis...one by one they feel by the wayside.
>However, that does not mean that I agree with or condone some of the
>practices of the top managers or directors..."these common practices" are
>certainly questionable to many and smell fishy to others...however, I
>found none that met the Enron scenario that so many want. Unfortunately
>some people just want to believe the worst, while others keep spinning for
I'm still trying to figure out yours.
>These ongoing attacks will continue...the Core/Group is already preparing
>for next year's elections. I have ask one active Core/Group supporter to
>interview for my online column...asked him 3 times.
Perhaps he or she feels that your private mailing list would not be
an audience worth their time.
>No answer, however, he
>is still out there spinning the spin and making unsupported accusations in
>some cases. The general membership is weary of this mad dog approach.
Perhaps the general membership that *you* hang out with. Remember
that you (as we) do not necessarily have a feel for what the
membership of 220,000 actually thinks - only our own circles. My
circles have a decidedly different attitude.
>When all is finally exposed the fair minded people will realize another
I'm on the edge of my seat.
I suspect instead that if/when you finally "expose" whomever you
might be talking about that it'll be a complete non-event.
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