[Watchdogs] Contradictions in the Juan Garza rationale for Swinford Bill
alfred stlouis
stlouis_98 at hotmail.com
Fri Apr 24 11:38:24 CDT 2009
Dear Linda: there is no need for you to apologize for Juan Garza's faulty rationale. He has the resources to give us straight talk. Al
From: rogers-pec7 at live.com
To: stlouis_98 at hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [Watchdogs] Contradictions in the Juan Garza rationale for Swinford Bill
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:06:36 -0400
Alfred, the Rose/Fraser Bills only refer complaints to the PUC. It does not give the PUC oversight of co-ops. Thew Swinford Bill wants them directed to the AG. I think this may be a misunderstanding of the bill by members. I wish Milton would make these corrections instead of letting the misunderstandings persist. Wouldn't you feel better if you had complete and accurate information? Good or bad, the whole story....Linda Kaye
From: stlouis_98 at hotmail.com
To: watchdogs at pec4u.org
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:48:32 -0500
Subject: [Watchdogs] Contradictions in the Juan Garza rationale for Swinford Bill
According to the Release, Juan Garza wants to avoid regulation by the Public Utilities Commission, as the administrative hearings may require "costly outside legal expenses".
Yet, putting the Attorney General in charge would ensure even more costly legal expenses as we would be dealing with the largest law firm in the State.
Clearly, Juan Garza's favoring the Swinford bill over the Fraser-Rose bill is for other reasons, as the rationale he gives does not pass the smell test.
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> 1. Preferred Candidates (alfred stlouis)
> 2. Re: Preferred Candidates (Milton Hawkins)
> 3. General Manager Juan Garza clarifies PEC's position on HB
> 1390, SB 921 [PEC News Release, from Web Site] (Milton Hawkins)
> 4. "General Manager Juan Garza clarifies PEC's position on HB
> 1390, SB 921" Letter to the Editor from Juan Garza]
> (joesummy at moment.net)
> 5. Co-op announces new auditor (Andra Jacoby)
> 6. "PEC to issue membership refunds in May" - Press Release
> (joesummy at moment.net)
> 7. "PEC hires firm for 2008 audit, considers measures to enhance
> member rights" - Press Release] (joesummy at moment.net)
> 8. Re: Preferred Candidates (Williams, Mark (San Antonio))
> 9. Preferred Candidates (alfred stlouis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:13:33 -0500
> From: alfred stlouis <stlouis_98 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Watchdogs] Preferred Candidates
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> Is anyone working on a list of "preferred Candidates" for the Board Elections?
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> We need people on that Board who will work to get the COOP house in order. Also, I would like to see new Board members who will keep the heat on the thugs, pursue civil and criminal violations, and get the greedy ones to disgorge their ill begotten gains.
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> > 1. Re: TV ads (Rich Steinburg)
> > 2. "PEC announces slate of 11 for June Board election" press
> > release] (joesummy at moment.net)
> > 3. Re: "PEC announces slate of 11 for June Board election"press
> > release] (Paul Langston)
> > 4. How Did a Lawsuit Settlement Bill to the Member/Owners for $1
> > Million Become $1.6 Million? (Milton Hawkins)
> > 5. Re: Appointing a new Director-at-large (Paul Langston)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Rich Steinburg <rich19burg at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] TV ads
> > To: richardviktorin <richardviktorin at sbcglobal.net>
> > Cc: watchdogs at pec4u.org
> > Message-ID: <464425.80083.qm at web44805.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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> > You're right about the targeting. These ads (no cheap in the Austin market) are being paid for by us and are going to City of austin customers, Bluebonnet Electric members and many others. PEC doesn't need to be on TV.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 4/20/09, richardviktorin <richardviktorin at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> > From: richardviktorin <richardviktorin at sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: RE: [Watchdogs] TV ads
> > To: "'Rich Steinburg'" <rich19burg at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 6:53 PM
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> > Hear!?
> > Hear! I noticed those ads myself?..and not the most targeted of media
> > buys either?..they are feathering the PEC PR bed across wide swaths of
> > central Texas.
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > From: watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org
> > [mailto:watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org] On
> > Behalf Of Rich Steinburg
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> > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:15
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> > To: Watchdogs at pec4u.org
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> > Subject: [Watchdogs] TV ads
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> > I was reading my sunday paper yesterday about PEC
> > having to close down saturday payment collections on saturday (helpful for
> > many of us who work during the week) when my reading was interrupted by a
> > self- serving TV ad touting PEC . I thought this is the type of expenditure
> > (advertising for a monopoly) that was being eliminated. I understand the PEC
> > proganda department still has over a dozen employees. Why won't the new and
> > old regimes combine to cut this wasteful spending. We want fair rates, good
> > service, etc. not more propaganda.
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:55:12 -0500 (CDT)
> > From: joesummy at moment.net
> > Subject: [Watchdogs] "PEC announces slate of 11 for June Board
> > election" press release]
> > To: watchdogs at pec4u.org
> > Message-ID: <1156.205.247.118.222.1240268112.squirrel at mail.moment.net>
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> > The PEC press release provides information about the candidates in our
> > June PEC Board election.
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> > The press release is formatted as an MS Word file.
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> >
> > Stephen S. Shahan
> > Communications Editor
> > Pedernales Electric Cooperative, Inc.
> > P.O. Box 1
> > Johnson City, Texas 78636
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> > Phone: 1-888-554-4732, Ext. 5043
> > Fax: (830) 868-5080
> > E-mail: stephen.shahan at peci.com
> > Web site: www.pec.coop
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:49:57 -0500
> > From: "Paul Langston" <langston at zeecon.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] "PEC announces slate of 11 for June Board
> > election"press release]
> > To: <joesummy at moment.net>, <watchdogs at pec4u.org>,
> > <stephen.shahan at peci.com>, <ann.harvey at peci.com>
> > Message-ID: <F99E42C2328840C7B6277D08C53D144F at langston>
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> > Dear Joe: Thanks for sending this message on to us. I simply could not
> > write fast enough to get all the names of the candidates that Mike was
> > reading at the meeting this afternoon. It was nice seeing you.
> >
> > I would ask that you folks in the Communications Dept. of PEC,Inc. to send
> > us these releases to watchdogs at pec4u.org so that we do not have to depend
> > on your kindness, Joseph. Cheers
> > Paul Langston 830-598-1322
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <joesummy at moment.net>
> > To: <watchdogs at pec4u.org>
> > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:55 PM
> > Subject: [Watchdogs] "PEC announces slate of 11 for June Board
> > election"press release]
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> >
> > The PEC press release provides information about the candidates in our
> > June PEC Board election.
> >
> > The press release is formatted as an MS Word file.
> >
> >
> > Stephen S. Shahan
> > Communications Editor
> > Pedernales Electric Cooperative, Inc.
> > P.O. Box 1
> > Johnson City, Texas 78636
> >
> > Phone: 1-888-554-4732, Ext. 5043
> > Fax: (830) 868-5080
> > E-mail: stephen.shahan at peci.com
> > Web site: www.pec.coop
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:17:49 -0500
> > From: "Milton Hawkins" <mhawkins at tstar.net>
> > Subject: [Watchdogs] How Did a Lawsuit Settlement Bill to the
> > Member/Owners for $1 Million Become $1.6 Million?
> > To: <watchdogs at pec4u.org>
> > Cc: Juan Garza <juan.garza at peci.com>, "Rep. Patrick Rose"
> > <patrick.rose at house.state.tx.us>, "Sen. Troy Fraser"
> > <troy.fraser at senate.state.tx.us>, Luis Garcia <luis.garcia at peci.com>
> > Message-ID: <63D0BEFE615F41D68400916224E415EF at Milton>
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> >
> > Friends,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am attaching copies of two letters I have been requesting from PEC for
> > some months now. Today I finally received them, thanks to the good offices
> > of Luis Garcia, our new general counsel. He had to obtain the agreement of
> > the individual defendants in the Worrall lawsuit before he could release
> > them to me.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have not had time to study them thoroughly, but one major item has already
> > caught my attention: the offer by the defendants to pay a one-time lump sum
> > payment of $1 million to the plaintiffs.
> >
> >
> >
> > You may recall that at a meeting on 18 February 2008, the Board authorized a
> > so-called "independent and disinterested" (Judge Dietz's terms) committee
> > consisting of Director Barry Adair and the advisory directors to approve the
> > terms of the settlement agreement, and at the same meeting the Board
> > authorized the sending of this letter, which is dated 19 February, the very
> > next day. As the unredacted Minutes of the 18 February meeting indicate,
> > David Duggins presented a draft letter for the Board to consider, and
> > briefed the Board on the negotiations regarding the settlement agreement.
> > Then the committee, acting for PEC, agreed to the terms to be offered in the
> > letter.
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> > Later, the Board met on 28 April 2008, just two days before the Fairness
> > Hearing in Austin, to correct an "error" in the Minutes of the 18 February
> > meeting, but all they did was remove any evidence of Duggins's involvement
> > in the drafting of the letter and the briefing given the Board. Later, in
> > mid May of 2008, after the judge had heard the objections and approved the
> > agreement anyway, the Board met again and ratified each decision the
> > committee had made in February.
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> > Thus we have the offer, reduced to writing and approved by the PEC Board in
> > February, remaining unchanged, according to the official Minutes, in its
> > terms, through three Board meetings; and included among those terms is an
> > offer of a "one-time lump sum payment" of $1,000,000.
> >
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> > Yet when we member/owners finally get to read the settlement agreement and
> > discover what the various individual defendants and their attorneys and the
> > insurance company and its attorneys and the individual plaintiffs and their
> > attorneys and the judge have concocted for us, we discover that our bill is
> > $1,600,000. That check is being cut this month, I believe, and will show up
> > in CFO Mike Vollmer's Financial Report in the Board Package in May or June.
> >
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> >
> > My questions at this point are, simply put, how, and when, and where, and by
> > whom was the decision made, and approval given, to increase the
> > member/owners' bill by $600,000? You might want to ask the same questions.
> >
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> >
> > (Check the listed attachments below for "PEC Letters
> > [Duggins-McConnico-Ikard] 19 February 2008." I am copying relevant parts of
> > the Duggins/McConnico letter below in this message. I've noted omissions in
> > the text.)
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> > Clark, Thomas & Winters
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> > A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION
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> > POST OFFICE BOX 1148
> >
> > AUSTIN, TEXAS 78767
> >
> > 300 WEST 6th STREET. 15th FLOOR
> >
> > AUSTIN, TEXAS 78701
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> > CONFIDENTIAL
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> > MEDIATION DOCUMENT
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> > February 19, 2008
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> > The Honorable John K.Dietz
> >
> > Presiding Judge
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> > Travis County District Courts
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> > 1000 Guadalupe
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> > Austin, Texas 78701
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> > Re: Cause No. Dl-GN-0702234; in the 200th District Court of Travis County,
> > John Worrall, Individually and as Representative of all others similarly
> > situated, et al, v. Pedernales Electric Cooperative, Inc., et al.
> >
> >
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> > Dear Judge Dietz:
> >
> >
> >
> > This serves as a joint response to plaintiffs' separate settlement offers
> > contained in Mr. Ikard's 1130108 letter to Ms. Summerhays and me and Mr.
> > Ikard's 1130108 letter to Mr. McConnico and Mr. Kuczaj, each of which showed
> > a copy to you. Please feel free to share this proposal with plaintiffs'
> > counsel as you deem appropriate.
> >
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> >
> > In exchange for the full and final release of all claims against them and
> > the entry of an appropriate judgment setting forth the settlement terms, PEC
> > and the individual defendants propose the following:
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> > [. . . ]
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> > II. Relief to Putative Class
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> > B. Any cash to plaintiffs' attorneys will come from the lump sum payment set
> > forth below. PEC has no interest in using members' money to pay plaintiffs'
> > counsel and perceives no reason why plaintiffs should recover any cash
> > individually.
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> > III. Cash Payment
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> > You are already familiar with the many legal obstacles confronting
> > plaintiffs' claims against the individual defendants, and they need not be
> > repeated here, However, in an effort to avoid the expense and uncertainties
> > of continued litigation, and in order to minimize the cost of plaintiffs'
> > lawsuit to PEC's members, the defendants and their insurer have actively
> > engaged in these settlement discussions. As a result of those efforts, the
> > defendants, as part of this joint response, offer to tender to plaintiffs a
> > one-time lump sum payment in the amount of one million dollars
> > ($1,000,000.00).
> >
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> >
> > [. . . ]
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> > David C. Duggins
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> > ATTORNEY FOR PEC
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> > Steve McConnico
> >
> > ATTORNEY FOR THE
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> > INDIVIDUAL DEFENDANTS
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> > Milton Hawkins mhawkins at tstar.net 830-868-9075
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:45:15 -0500
> > From: "Paul Langston" <langston at zeecon.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] Appointing a new Director-at-large
> > To: "Rich Steinburg" <rich19burg at yahoo.com>, "Milton Hawkins"
> > <mhawkins at tstar.net>, "'alfred stlouis'" <stlouis_98 at hotmail.com>,
> > "'PEC Watchdogs'" <Watchdogs at pec4u.org>
> > Cc: JamesSpellman <james.spellman at peci.com>, Lamont Ramage
> > <lramage99 at yahoo.com>
> > Message-ID: <A2704D51DEE3453E890ACF11C6169656 at langston>
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> > Dear Rich: I was in a rush to get over to Johncity, this Monday morning and I answered your note about Judge Ramage in some haste.
> > No, Rich. As I am listening to you tell me all about the fine experience and valuable service rendered by the Judge in Hays County, I feel that there are many victims in this PEC story.
> >
> > You mentioned Doctor Nunnally. That good Doctor was the only Dentist in this area that was brave enough to work on my late son. My boy had a life- threatening disease that killed him. Dr, Nunnally was the only Dentist in the area that had the skill and the know -how to protect all the participants in this work. I will always feel a special obligation to Dr. Nunnally for his special effort on behalf of my late son.
> >
> > You may not know it but Dr. Nunnally was the personal dentist of A.E. Morusund. A.E. respected him so much that he appointed him as an Advisory Director of PEC.
> >
> > I had a long talk with Dr. Nunnally over coffee. He told me that in 18 years, I was the only PEC member that had ever called him, came to talk to him or took any interest in his work with PEC. I came away with a mixed signal that made me know that Dr. Nunnally was going to resign. He did. Why did he stick to that bunch for about 18 years?
> > I belonged in Dist. One in those days. Vi Cloud would not even talk with me.
> >
> > A learned man like Judge Ramage, with much , wide experience, who must have known all about the history of PEC. He was certainly no novice. Why would he have taken the appointment from Fuelburg and Burnett? We must assume that he really hoped to improve things inside PEC. He also, must have felt after some years that he should resign and rid himself of the reputation of the PEC insiders. He didn't.
> >
> > Sorry, Rich. I was at that Board Meeting today, 4-20-09 and I saw the old crowd try to push Judge Ramage into the new role of Appointed Advisory Director-at large and they failed. It was push and shove, thrust and riposte. Nip and tuck. The new boys, the outsiders prevailed, at least for today. For sure, the old crowd really wants the good Judge on that Board. The Judge seems to really want to be on that Board with the old Fuelburg Electric Co-op gang.
> >
> > My view is sledge- hammer simple. Judge Ramage was never elected to PEC and we do not need any of the old Fuelburg appointed crowd. Spellman and the other four was elected in possibly the only election held inside PEC in 60 odd years.
> >
> > Wow, history in the make...Cox will be the first ever re-elected Director in the history of PEC.
> >
> > Cheers, H. P. Langston 830-598-1322
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rich Steinburg
> > To: Milton Hawkins ; 'alfred stlouis' ; 'PEC Watchdogs' ; Paul Langston
> > Cc: JamesSpellman ; Lamont Ramage
> > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] How much salary for a Gen. Manager?
> >
> >
> > Paul__As much as it pains me to defend any of the old guard as a resident a a resident of north Hays County, I have to point out that Mr. Ramage was the leader of creating he Hays Consolidated ISD from separate school districts and its longtime President in laking it one of the top school districts in Texas, was mayor of the City of Hays and was a longtime Justice of the Peace. He is a revered figure in this part of the county and is really the kind of director PEC probably needs. Just because he came in under the old Bandit Bennie & Deadbeat Bud regime, I don't believe he should be tarred by their brush. I think some of the old directors (Nunnally, Armstrong, Linebarger) were as much victims of those two's malfeasance as many of us and should be given a benefit of a doubt.
> >
> > --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Paul Langston <langston at zeecon.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Paul Langston <langston at zeecon.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] How much salary for a Gen. Manager?
> > To: "Milton Hawkins" <mhawkins at tstar.net>, "'alfred stlouis'" <stlouis_98 at hotmail.com>, "'PEC Watchdogs'" <Watchdogs at pec4u.org>
> > Cc: "Spellman, James" <james.spellman at peci.com>, "Lamont Ramage" <lramage99 at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 1:44 AM
> >
> >
> > Milton and Alfred and Watchdogs:
> >
> > I looked at the latest edition of the 990 of 2007.
> > Salaries of the executives, Ben = $1,957,433, Bud = $813,896, Dahman = $300.758 and Jeanell Davis = $275,890. No other executives were listed.
> >
> > Note, form 990, 2007, Donations = $309,255 but $100,000 was to "Wholesale Power Alliance", some kind of group that PEC contributes to for some kind of reason, mistakenly charged it to Donations.......unless, of course, it is a front for one of our boys.
> >
> > So, donations in 2007 was $209,255. Compare that to Donations in 2008 of about $ One Million Dollars. It just shows what can come out of a serious effort of MZ. Jeanell Davis.
> >
> > I really would like to know what the $13,364,311 under Misc. Admin Expense. Most companies would never list Thirteen Million Dollars as Misc...... it is second only to cost of purchased power.
> >
> > Until we have an audit by an independent group, None of us will ever know just how screwed up our PEC really is. Meanwhile, the Board has announced that the new electric rate will go into effect on June 1, 2009. Hey, they need the loot for more charitable donations.
> >
> > Oh, did you notice that the Board is naming James Spellman and Lamont Ramage to be Advisory, At-Large Directors. I am all for Spellman because he was elected to be an Advisory Director........but Ramage has never been elected even as dog-catcher.
> >
> > Regards, Paul Langston 830-598-1322
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Milton Hawkins
> > To: 'Paul Langston' ; 'alfred stlouis' ; 'PEC Watchdogs'
> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 2:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Watchdogs] How much salary for a Gen. Manager?
> >
> >
> > MINUTES OF MEETING OF BOARD OF DIRECTORS
> >
> > PEDERNALES ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE, INC.
> >
> > March 16, 2009
> >
> > Activities for the month of February are as follows:
> >
> > Current number of PEC employees is 904.
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul, you?re about $100,000 off (too low) on the top assistants. Look at the Form 990?s for 2007
> >
> > (http://www.pec.coop/Documents/2007form990.pdf )
> >
> > and check page 242 of the Navigant Report
> >
> > (http://www.pec.coop/Documents/NavigantInvestigationReport.pdf ).
> >
> > And that?s for 2007. There was a bonus for 2008, as you well know.
> >
> > Milton
> >
> >
> >
> > From: watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org [mailto:watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org] On Behalf Of Paul Langston
> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:05 PM
> > To: alfred stlouis; PEC Watchdogs
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] How much salary for a Gen. Manager?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Alford: The number of hourly employees is reported monthly by the PEC staff in the Monthly Report at the Director meetings.
> >
> > I think that there are about 840 hourly employees. Then we add on the Executives of the PEC, the ones that get about $100,000 to about $200,000 salaries. Then there is the General Manager who gets about $400,000 net.
> >
> > To be realistic, we have to count in the salaries of the Directors, about $50,000 ea. Then we have to consider the pay of the Lawyers and the Lobbyists that are ever with us but this salary information is not reported to us.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you have always worked for Corporations that made a profit or went out of business then you know that normally, General Managers get paid for increasing the value of the stock and getting the company to grow, increasing profit and sales volume.
> >
> >
> >
> > Co-ops like PEC do not have outstanding shares and do not make a profit. Co-ops have a monopoly hold on their customer-owners and effectively have no competition.
> >
> >
> >
> > Co-ops generally call in a troop of very expensive Consultants to do a study of what all of the other Co-ops are paying their managers. These consultants do not consider the financial health of the Co-op under study. They do not consider the rates that the Co-op is charging their Owner-Members nor how many hours per week that the lights are out. Just how our Executives pay compares to all the other Managers seems to be the sole criterion.
> >
> >
> >
> > My opinion is that any of these Co-ops who effectively have the Member-Owners shut completely out of the Co-op business like PEC, have Executive salaries and multi- million dollar bonuses that are completely out of reason.
> >
> >
> >
> > PEC is not the only one, though.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards, H. P. Langston 830-598-1322
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: alfred stlouis
> >
> > To: langston at zeecon.com
> >
> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:59 AM
> >
> > Subject: RE: [Watchdogs] Rate Hearing only for NW Austin?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the update Paul. I am curious, do you how many employees there are in PEC? I am trying to figure out what a reasonable salary would be for the General Manager. I wasn't able to find this information on the web site. Al
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > From: langston at zeecon.com
> > To: stlouis_98 at hotmail.com; watchdogs at pec4u.org
> > CC: langston at zeecon.com
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] Rate Hearing only for NW Austin?
> > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:11:31 -0500
> >
> > Dear Alfred: Don't bother. The Board has already set the date. June 1, for the next rate increase. Re. Board Packet for April 20,2009. These hearings are just for show & blow.
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Langston 830-598-1322
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: alfred stlouis
> >
> > To: watchdogs at pec4u.org
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:02 PM
> >
> > Subject: [Watchdogs] Rate Hearing only for NW Austin?
> >
> >
> >
> > Why no hearing for SW Austin? Don't our members count on this important issue?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:00:29 -0500
> From: "Milton Hawkins" <mhawkins at tstar.net>
> Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] Preferred Candidates
> To: "'alfred stlouis'" <stlouis_98 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: watchdogs at pec4u.org
> Message-ID: <9E2275235F0C4BEDB560BCA503F0FDD1 at Milton>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Dear Alfred,
>
>
>
> I don't know about a list of "preferred candidates," since that would
> immediately raise the question: Preferred by whom? But I would suggest that
> you can easily see where some of the candidates stand on the issues you are
> interested in by checking out the PEC4u Candidates Forum:
>
> http://pec4u.org/candforum09/index.php .
>
>
>
> Cristi Clement (District 1), Larry Landaker (District 6), and Patrick Cox
> (incumbent in District 7, running unopposed) all have clear statements
> indicating where they stand on the important matters affecting PEC right
> now. Of particular importance, I think, is their view of the ownership
> rights of the membership.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Milton
>
>
>
> Milton Hawkins mhawkins at tstar.net 830-868-9075
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org [mailto:watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org] On
> Behalf Of alfred stlouis
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:14 PM
> To: watchdogs at pec4u.org
> Subject: [Watchdogs] Preferred Candidates
>
>
>
> Is anyone working on a list of "preferred Candidates" for the Board
> Elections?
>
> We need people on that Board who will work to get the COOP house in order.
> Also, I would like to see new Board members who will keep the heat on the
> thugs, pursue civil and criminal violations, and get the greedy ones to
> disgorge their ill begotten gains.
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:59:25 -0500
> From: "Milton Hawkins" <mhawkins at tstar.net>
> Subject: [Watchdogs] General Manager Juan Garza clarifies PEC's
> position on HB 1390, SB 921 [PEC News Release, from Web Site]
> To: <watchdogs at pec4u.org>
> Cc: Juan Garza <juan.garza at peci.com>, Patrick Cox
> <patrickcox7 at gmail.com>, "Rep. Patrick Rose"
> <patrick.rose at house.state.tx.us>, "Sen. Troy Fraser"
> <troy.fraser at senate.state.tx.us>
> Message-ID: <94AB429967414DEC86EE8261A8F108EF at Milton>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> [Note this comment from the statement below: "The Board felt it is generally
> wrong to treat PEC differently than all other cooperatives and Texas
> utilities and to punish PEC's members and current management for the actions
> of prior management."
>
>
>
> To distill this further, "The Board felt it is generally wrong . . . to
> punish PEC's members . . . for the actions of prior management."
>
>
>
> And just who makes up the majority of this Board that feels this way, and
> that is so quick to lay all the blame on "prior management"? Why, none
> other than the four old-guard directors, who must have slept through the
> Fuelberg/Burnett reign of misrule! Having reaped their benefits by serving
> Bennie, they now plead innocence, crying that it's unfair to blame them for
> the damage inflicted during the Fuelberg era. I guess we're to conclude
> that they were merely pretend directors, secretly enjoying their perks while
> seeing and hearing and knowing nothing.
>
>
>
> And "prior management" would include of course include Will Dahmann, and
> Jeanell Davis too, I guess, both assistant general managers under Bennie
> Fuelberg and Bud Burnett. This same Board majority that now blames "prior
> management" gave Dahmann a "severance bonus" of almost $130,000, so they
> must have thought pretty highly of his performance at one time, and of
> course Mr. Garza has retained Ms. Davis as one of his own assistant general
> managers.
>
>
>
> It's all very strange. Prior management did it all, while we sat and
> watched, and drew our $50,000 per year for doing so. It's no wonder that
> Senator Fraser recently called them the "four bandits" still on Mr. Garza's
> Board. (In case you're new to this list, the four old-guard directors, now
> without blame or blemish, are R.B. Felps, O.C. Harmon, Val Smith, and Vi
> Cloud. - Milton]
>
>
>
> NEWS CENTER [PEC]
>
> April 21, 2009
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
> General Manager Juan Garza clarifies PEC's position on HB 1390, SB 921
>
> Note: The following statement from Pedernales Electric General Manager Juan
> Garza was given at PEC's regular Board meeting on April 20, 2009.
>
> Last week, the Board of Pedernales Electric Cooperative voted 6-1 to support
> one of two bills to reform the operations of electric cooperatives being
> considered by the Texas Legislature. Identical bill language was filed by
> Sen. Troy Fraser, R-Marble Falls and Rep. Patrick Rose, D-Dripping Springs.
> Alternative reform legislation, supported by the statewide organization
> Texas Electric Cooperatives, was also filed by Rep. David Swinford,
> R-Amarillo.
>
> The PEC Board vigorously -- and publicly -- debated the alternative bills,
> with all of the Directors focused on the same issues: protecting both the
> reforms that have been enacted at PEC and the interests of the Cooperative
> and its members. After this debate, the Board majority voted to support the
> Swinford bill and oppose the Rose-Fraser bill for the following reasons:
>
> Brackets: The Rose-Fraser bill was peppered with "brackets," provisions that
> would impose restrictions - and corresponding costs to members - on PEC and
> not other Texas electrical cooperatives. The Board felt it is generally
> wrong to treat PEC differently than all other cooperatives and Texas
> utilities and to punish PEC's members and current management for the actions
> of prior management.
>
> For example, the Rose-Fraser bill mandates that PEC have single-member
> election districts which takes away the PEC membership's right to decide
> this key governance issue that is currently the subject of a lively debate
> among PEC directors and membership.
>
> The Rose-Fraser bill would require PEC to get approval from the Texas Public
> Utility Commission before investing in electricity generation facilities.
> That could needlessly drive up the cost of PEC's newly negotiated right to
> share facility ownership with the Lower Colorado River Authority. The
> requirement could also hurt PEC's efforts to buy wind turbines or solar
> panels and sell or lease them back to individual members.
>
> Open Records section: Under the current PEC open records policy, members may
> be required to document a legitimate reason before being given access to
> Cooperative records. The law allows this so-called "proper purpose"
> requirement for all other nonprofits in Texas. This reinforces the fact that
> these entities are businesses and prevents records from being used for
> purposes adverse to member interests. However, proper purpose protections
> are not included in the Rose-Fraser bill.
>
> Third-party oversight: Under the Rose-Fraser bill compliance will be the
> responsibility of the Public Utility Commission -- which is geared toward
> resolving issues through expensive, time-consuming administrative hearings
> that require costly outside lawyers.
>
> The Attorney General -- the state's highest law enforcement office - would
> assume oversight under the Swinford bill. The Attorney General's office has
> expertise in consumer protection and transparency measures, overseeing
> governmental open records and open meetings compliance, as well as
> monitoring other nonprofits. Most importantly, the Attorney General is well
> versed in resolving disputes over access to records and meetings through
> less-costly, informal mechanisms.
>
> PEC has taken significant measures over the past year to ensure that the
> cooperative meetings, records and business practices are among the most open
> and transparent in the industry, and that our election process is undeniably
> democratic. The Board's endorsement of Rep. Swinford's bill was made
> recognizing that certain aspects of the bill should be strengthened. As an
> example, the Swinford bill does not require other coops to allow the same
> degree of public access to Board meetings that PEC has voluntarily adopted.
> In fact, it is our hope that other cooperatives will follow the example of
> PEC and commit to open governance.
>
> We were heartened that during the hearing Rep. Rose and Rep. Swinford
> indicated their willingness to compromise. If that happens, we are convinced
> that lawmakers can pass legislation that treats all Cooperatives fairly
> while protecting their members' rights.
>
>
>
> Milton Hawkins mhawkins at tstar.net 830-868-9075
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:03:06 -0500 (CDT)
> From: joesummy at moment.net
> Subject: [Watchdogs] "General Manager Juan Garza clarifies PEC's
> position on HB 1390, SB 921" Letter to the Editor from Juan Garza]
> To: watchdogs at pec4u.org
> Message-ID: <1185.205.247.118.222.1240405386.squirrel at mail.moment.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> PEC Press Release
>
>
> From: Michael Racis
>
> On April 20, 2009, Pedernales Electric Cooperative General Manager Juan
> Garza gave a statement clarifying PEC's position on legislation currently
> being considered in the Texas State Senate and House of Representatives.
>
> This Letter to the Editor is formatted as an MS Word file.
>
> If you have any problems with the files, please contact me at the
> telephone number below. Thank you for your consideration.
>
>
> Michael Racis
> Communications Manager
> Pedernales Electric Cooperative
> 830-868-4757
> 1-888-554-4732 x4757
> Michael.racis at peci.com
> www.pec.coop
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:13:46 -0500
> From: Andra Jacoby <gopheraj at wildblue.net>
> Subject: [Watchdogs] Co-op announces new auditor
> To: PEC Watchdogs <Watchdogs at PEC4u.org>, Milton Hawkins
> <mhawkins at tstar.net>
> Message-ID: <49EF180A.3000300 at wildblue.net>
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> * PEDERNALES ELECTRIC CO-OP *
>
> * *
>
> *Co-op announces new auditor*
>
> Pedernales Electric Cooperative said Tuesday that it will hire
> Houston-based BKD to take over its annual financial audit, a job handled
> by consultant KPMG for more than 10 years.
>
> The Johnson City-based co-op also announced that 10 candidates will run
> for two open seats on the seven-member board of voting directors, while
> Pedernales director Patrick Cox will run unopposed for his post. The
> moves signal new leadership will take majority control of the co-op's
> board after its June elections.
>
> The co-op also said that it would refund a total of $2.5 million to
> members with multiple meters.
>
> http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/04/22/0422roundup.html
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:24:31 -0500 (CDT)
> From: joesummy at moment.net
> Subject: [Watchdogs] "PEC to issue membership refunds in May" - Press
> Release
> To: watchdogs at pec4u.org
> Message-ID: <1267.205.247.118.222.1240406671.squirrel at mail.moment.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The press release provides information about refunds that PEC is issuing
> to members with more than one account.
>
> The press release is formatted as a MS Word file. If you have any
> questions about or problems with the file, please contact me as soon as
> possible. Thank you for your consideration.
>
>
> --
> Jim East
> Communications Editor
> Pedernales Electric Cooperative, Inc.
> P.O. Box 1
> Johnson City, Texas 78636
> Phone: 1-888-554-4732 Ext. 5184
> Fax: (830) 868-5080
> E-mail: jim.east at peci.com
> Website: www.pec.coop
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:26:26 -0500 (CDT)
> From: joesummy at moment.net
> Subject: [Watchdogs] "PEC hires firm for 2008 audit, considers
> measures to enhance member rights" - Press Release]
> To: watchdogs at pec4u.org
> Message-ID: <1277.205.247.118.222.1240406786.squirrel at mail.moment.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
>
> The press release provides information about PEC's Board of Directors
> meeting on Monday, April 20.
>
> The press release is formatted as a MS Word file. If you have any
> questions about or problems with the file, please contact me as soon as
> possible. Thank you for your consideration.
>
> --
> Jim East
> Communications Editor
> Pedernales Electric Cooperative, Inc.
> P.O. Box 1
> Johnson City, Texas 78636
> Phone: 1-888-554-4732 Ext. 5184
> Fax: (830) 868-5080
> E-mail: jim.east at peci.com
> Website: www.pec.coop
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:13:24 -0500
> From: "Williams, Mark (San Antonio)" <Mark.Williams at valero.com>
> Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] Preferred Candidates
> To: "'stlouis_98 at hotmail.com'" <stlouis_98 at hotmail.com>,
> "'watchdogs at pec4u.org'" <watchdogs at pec4u.org>
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> Are you running, Alfred?
>
> Mark
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org <watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org>
> To: watchdogs at pec4u.org <watchdogs at pec4u.org>
> Sent: Tue Apr 21 17:13:33 2009
> Subject: [Watchdogs] Preferred Candidates
>
> Is anyone working on a list of "preferred Candidates" for the Board Elections?
>
> We need people on that Board who will work to get the COOP house in order. Also, I would like to see new Board members who will keep the heat on the thugs, pursue civil and criminal violations, and get the greedy ones to disgorge their ill begotten gains.
>
> > From: watchdogs-request at pec4u.org
> > Subject: Watchdogs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 19
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> > 1. Re: TV ads (Rich Steinburg)
> > 2. "PEC announces slate of 11 for June Board election" press
> > release] (joesummy at moment.net)
> > 3. Re: "PEC announces slate of 11 for June Board election"press
> > release] (Paul Langston)
> > 4. How Did a Lawsuit Settlement Bill to the Member/Owners for $1
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Rich Steinburg <rich19burg at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] TV ads
> > To: richardviktorin <richardviktorin at sbcglobal.net>
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> > You're right about the targeting. These ads (no cheap in the Austin market) are being paid for by us and are going to City of austin customers, Bluebonnet Electric members and many others. PEC doesn't need to be on TV.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 4/20/09, richardviktorin <richardviktorin at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: richardviktorin <richardviktorin at sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: RE: [Watchdogs] TV ads
> > To: "'Rich Steinburg'" <rich19burg at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 6:53 PM
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> > Hear! I noticed those ads myself?..and not the most targeted of media
> > buys either?..they are feathering the PEC PR bed across wide swaths of
> > central Texas.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > r
> >
> > ?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org
> > [mailto:watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org] On
> > Behalf Of Rich Steinburg
> >
> > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:15
> > AM
> >
> > To: Watchdogs at pec4u.org
> >
> > Subject: [Watchdogs] TV ads
> >
> > ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was reading my sunday paper yesterday about PEC
> > having to close down saturday payment collections on saturday (helpful for
> > many of us who work during the week) when my reading was interrupted by a
> > self- serving TV ad touting PEC . I thought this is the type of expenditure
> > (advertising for a monopoly) that was being eliminated. I understand the PEC
> > proganda department still has over a dozen employees. Why won't the new and
> > old regimes combine to cut this wasteful spending. We want fair rates, good
> > service, etc. not more propaganda.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:55:12 -0500 (CDT)
> > From: joesummy at moment.net
> > Subject: [Watchdogs] "PEC announces slate of 11 for June Board
> > election" press release]
> > To: watchdogs at pec4u.org
> > Message-ID: <1156.205.247.118.222.1240268112.squirrel at mail.moment.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > The PEC press release provides information about the candidates in our
> > June PEC Board election.
> >
> > The press release is formatted as an MS Word file.
> >
> >
> > Stephen S. Shahan
> > Communications Editor
> > Pedernales Electric Cooperative, Inc.
> > P.O. Box 1
> > Johnson City, Texas 78636
> >
> > Phone: 1-888-554-4732, Ext. 5043
> > Fax: (830) 868-5080
> > E-mail: stephen.shahan at peci.com
> > Web site: www.pec.coop
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:49:57 -0500
> > From: "Paul Langston" <langston at zeecon.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] "PEC announces slate of 11 for June Board
> > election"press release]
> > To: <joesummy at moment.net>, <watchdogs at pec4u.org>,
> > <stephen.shahan at peci.com>, <ann.harvey at peci.com>
> > Message-ID: <F99E42C2328840C7B6277D08C53D144F at langston>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Dear Joe: Thanks for sending this message on to us. I simply could not
> > write fast enough to get all the names of the candidates that Mike was
> > reading at the meeting this afternoon. It was nice seeing you.
> >
> > I would ask that you folks in the Communications Dept. of PEC,Inc. to send
> > us these releases to watchdogs at pec4u.org so that we do not have to depend
> > on your kindness, Joseph. Cheers
> > Paul Langston 830-598-1322
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <joesummy at moment.net>
> > To: <watchdogs at pec4u.org>
> > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:55 PM
> > Subject: [Watchdogs] "PEC announces slate of 11 for June Board
> > election"press release]
> >
> >
> > The PEC press release provides information about the candidates in our
> > June PEC Board election.
> >
> > The press release is formatted as an MS Word file.
> >
> >
> > Stephen S. Shahan
> > Communications Editor
> > Pedernales Electric Cooperative, Inc.
> > P.O. Box 1
> > Johnson City, Texas 78636
> >
> > Phone: 1-888-554-4732, Ext. 5043
> > Fax: (830) 868-5080
> > E-mail: stephen.shahan at peci.com
> > Web site: www.pec.coop
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:17:49 -0500
> > From: "Milton Hawkins" <mhawkins at tstar.net>
> > Subject: [Watchdogs] How Did a Lawsuit Settlement Bill to the
> > Member/Owners for $1 Million Become $1.6 Million?
> > To: <watchdogs at pec4u.org>
> > Cc: Juan Garza <juan.garza at peci.com>, "Rep. Patrick Rose"
> > <patrick.rose at house.state.tx.us>, "Sen. Troy Fraser"
> > <troy.fraser at senate.state.tx.us>, Luis Garcia <luis.garcia at peci.com>
> > Message-ID: <63D0BEFE615F41D68400916224E415EF at Milton>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Friends,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am attaching copies of two letters I have been requesting from PEC for
> > some months now. Today I finally received them, thanks to the good offices
> > of Luis Garcia, our new general counsel. He had to obtain the agreement of
> > the individual defendants in the Worrall lawsuit before he could release
> > them to me.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have not had time to study them thoroughly, but one major item has already
> > caught my attention: the offer by the defendants to pay a one-time lump sum
> > payment of $1 million to the plaintiffs.
> >
> >
> >
> > You may recall that at a meeting on 18 February 2008, the Board authorized a
> > so-called "independent and disinterested" (Judge Dietz's terms) committee
> > consisting of Director Barry Adair and the advisory directors to approve the
> > terms of the settlement agreement, and at the same meeting the Board
> > authorized the sending of this letter, which is dated 19 February, the very
> > next day. As the unredacted Minutes of the 18 February meeting indicate,
> > David Duggins presented a draft letter for the Board to consider, and
> > briefed the Board on the negotiations regarding the settlement agreement.
> > Then the committee, acting for PEC, agreed to the terms to be offered in the
> > letter.
> >
> >
> >
> > Later, the Board met on 28 April 2008, just two days before the Fairness
> > Hearing in Austin, to correct an "error" in the Minutes of the 18 February
> > meeting, but all they did was remove any evidence of Duggins's involvement
> > in the drafting of the letter and the briefing given the Board. Later, in
> > mid May of 2008, after the judge had heard the objections and approved the
> > agreement anyway, the Board met again and ratified each decision the
> > committee had made in February.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thus we have the offer, reduced to writing and approved by the PEC Board in
> > February, remaining unchanged, according to the official Minutes, in its
> > terms, through three Board meetings; and included among those terms is an
> > offer of a "one-time lump sum payment" of $1,000,000.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yet when we member/owners finally get to read the settlement agreement and
> > discover what the various individual defendants and their attorneys and the
> > insurance company and its attorneys and the individual plaintiffs and their
> > attorneys and the judge have concocted for us, we discover that our bill is
> > $1,600,000. That check is being cut this month, I believe, and will show up
> > in CFO Mike Vollmer's Financial Report in the Board Package in May or June.
> >
> >
> >
> > My questions at this point are, simply put, how, and when, and where, and by
> > whom was the decision made, and approval given, to increase the
> > member/owners' bill by $600,000? You might want to ask the same questions.
> >
> >
> >
> > (Check the listed attachments below for "PEC Letters
> > [Duggins-McConnico-Ikard] 19 February 2008." I am copying relevant parts of
> > the Duggins/McConnico letter below in this message. I've noted omissions in
> > the text.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Clark, Thomas & Winters
> >
> > A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION
> >
> > POST OFFICE BOX 1148
> >
> > AUSTIN, TEXAS 78767
> >
> > 300 WEST 6th STREET. 15th FLOOR
> >
> > AUSTIN, TEXAS 78701
> >
> >
> >
> > CONFIDENTIAL
> >
> > MEDIATION DOCUMENT
> >
> >
> >
> > February 19, 2008
> >
> >
> >
> > The Honorable John K.Dietz
> >
> > Presiding Judge
> >
> > Travis County District Courts
> >
> > 1000 Guadalupe
> >
> > Austin, Texas 78701
> >
> >
> >
> > Re: Cause No. Dl-GN-0702234; in the 200th District Court of Travis County,
> > John Worrall, Individually and as Representative of all others similarly
> > situated, et al, v. Pedernales Electric Cooperative, Inc., et al.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Judge Dietz:
> >
> >
> >
> > This serves as a joint response to plaintiffs' separate settlement offers
> > contained in Mr. Ikard's 1130108 letter to Ms. Summerhays and me and Mr.
> > Ikard's 1130108 letter to Mr. McConnico and Mr. Kuczaj, each of which showed
> > a copy to you. Please feel free to share this proposal with plaintiffs'
> > counsel as you deem appropriate.
> >
> >
> >
> > In exchange for the full and final release of all claims against them and
> > the entry of an appropriate judgment setting forth the settlement terms, PEC
> > and the individual defendants propose the following:
> >
> >
> >
> > [. . . ]
> >
> >
> >
> > II. Relief to Putative Class
> >
> >
> >
> > B. Any cash to plaintiffs' attorneys will come from the lump sum payment set
> > forth below. PEC has no interest in using members' money to pay plaintiffs'
> > counsel and perceives no reason why plaintiffs should recover any cash
> > individually.
> >
> >
> >
> > III. Cash Payment
> >
> >
> >
> > You are already familiar with the many legal obstacles confronting
> > plaintiffs' claims against the individual defendants, and they need not be
> > repeated here, However, in an effort to avoid the expense and uncertainties
> > of continued litigation, and in order to minimize the cost of plaintiffs'
> > lawsuit to PEC's members, the defendants and their insurer have actively
> > engaged in these settlement discussions. As a result of those efforts, the
> > defendants, as part of this joint response, offer to tender to plaintiffs a
> > one-time lump sum payment in the amount of one million dollars
> > ($1,000,000.00).
> >
> >
> >
> > [. . . ]
> >
> >
> >
> > David C. Duggins
> >
> > ATTORNEY FOR PEC
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve McConnico
> >
> > ATTORNEY FOR THE
> >
> > INDIVIDUAL DEFENDANTS
> >
> >
> >
> > Milton Hawkins mhawkins at tstar.net 830-868-9075
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:45:15 -0500
> > From: "Paul Langston" <langston at zeecon.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] Appointing a new Director-at-large
> > To: "Rich Steinburg" <rich19burg at yahoo.com>, "Milton Hawkins"
> > <mhawkins at tstar.net>, "'alfred stlouis'" <stlouis_98 at hotmail.com>,
> > "'PEC Watchdogs'" <Watchdogs at pec4u.org>
> > Cc: JamesSpellman <james.spellman at peci.com>, Lamont Ramage
> > <lramage99 at yahoo.com>
> > Message-ID: <A2704D51DEE3453E890ACF11C6169656 at langston>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Dear Rich: I was in a rush to get over to Johncity, this Monday morning and I answered your note about Judge Ramage in some haste.
> > No, Rich. As I am listening to you tell me all about the fine experience and valuable service rendered by the Judge in Hays County, I feel that there are many victims in this PEC story.
> >
> > You mentioned Doctor Nunnally. That good Doctor was the only Dentist in this area that was brave enough to work on my late son. My boy had a life- threatening disease that killed him. Dr, Nunnally was the only Dentist in the area that had the skill and the know -how to protect all the participants in this work. I will always feel a special obligation to Dr. Nunnally for his special effort on behalf of my late son.
> >
> > You may not know it but Dr. Nunnally was the personal dentist of A.E. Morusund. A.E. respected him so much that he appointed him as an Advisory Director of PEC.
> >
> > I had a long talk with Dr. Nunnally over coffee. He told me that in 18 years, I was the only PEC member that had ever called him, came to talk to him or took any interest in his work with PEC. I came away with a mixed signal that made me know that Dr. Nunnally was going to resign. He did. Why did he stick to that bunch for about 18 years?
> > I belonged in Dist. One in those days. Vi Cloud would not even talk with me.
> >
> > A learned man like Judge Ramage, with much , wide experience, who must have known all about the history of PEC. He was certainly no novice. Why would he have taken the appointment from Fuelburg and Burnett? We must assume that he really hoped to improve things inside PEC. He also, must have felt after some years that he should resign and rid himself of the reputation of the PEC insiders. He didn't.
> >
> > Sorry, Rich. I was at that Board Meeting today, 4-20-09 and I saw the old crowd try to push Judge Ramage into the new role of Appointed Advisory Director-at large and they failed. It was push and shove, thrust and riposte. Nip and tuck. The new boys, the outsiders prevailed, at least for today. For sure, the old crowd really wants the good Judge on that Board. The Judge seems to really want to be on that Board with the old Fuelburg Electric Co-op gang.
> >
> > My view is sledge- hammer simple. Judge Ramage was never elected to PEC and we do not need any of the old Fuelburg appointed crowd. Spellman and the other four was elected in possibly the only election held inside PEC in 60 odd years.
> >
> > Wow, history in the make...Cox will be the first ever re-elected Director in the history of PEC.
> >
> > Cheers, H. P. Langston 830-598-1322
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rich Steinburg
> > To: Milton Hawkins ; 'alfred stlouis' ; 'PEC Watchdogs' ; Paul Langston
> > Cc: JamesSpellman ; Lamont Ramage
> > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] How much salary for a Gen. Manager?
> >
> >
> > Paul__As much as it pains me to defend any of the old guard as a resident a a resident of north Hays County, I have to point out that Mr. Ramage was the leader of creating he Hays Consolidated ISD from separate school districts and its longtime President in laking it one of the top school districts in Texas, was mayor of the City of Hays and was a longtime Justice of the Peace. He is a revered figure in this part of the county and is really the kind of director PEC probably needs. Just because he came in under the old Bandit Bennie & Deadbeat Bud regime, I don't believe he should be tarred by their brush. I think some of the old directors (Nunnally, Armstrong, Linebarger) were as much victims of those two's malfeasance as many of us and should be given a benefit of a doubt.
> >
> > --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Paul Langston <langston at zeecon.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Paul Langston <langston at zeecon.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] How much salary for a Gen. Manager?
> > To: "Milton Hawkins" <mhawkins at tstar.net>, "'alfred stlouis'" <stlouis_98 at hotmail.com>, "'PEC Watchdogs'" <Watchdogs at pec4u.org>
> > Cc: "Spellman, James" <james.spellman at peci.com>, "Lamont Ramage" <lramage99 at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 1:44 AM
> >
> >
> > Milton and Alfred and Watchdogs:
> >
> > I looked at the latest edition of the 990 of 2007.
> > Salaries of the executives, Ben = $1,957,433, Bud = $813,896, Dahman = $300.758 and Jeanell Davis = $275,890. No other executives were listed.
> >
> > Note, form 990, 2007, Donations = $309,255 but $100,000 was to "Wholesale Power Alliance", some kind of group that PEC contributes to for some kind of reason, mistakenly charged it to Donations.......unless, of course, it is a front for one of our boys.
> >
> > So, donations in 2007 was $209,255. Compare that to Donations in 2008 of about $ One Million Dollars. It just shows what can come out of a serious effort of MZ. Jeanell Davis.
> >
> > I really would like to know what the $13,364,311 under Misc. Admin Expense. Most companies would never list Thirteen Million Dollars as Misc...... it is second only to cost of purchased power.
> >
> > Until we have an audit by an independent group, None of us will ever know just how screwed up our PEC really is. Meanwhile, the Board has announced that the new electric rate will go into effect on June 1, 2009. Hey, they need the loot for more charitable donations.
> >
> > Oh, did you notice that the Board is naming James Spellman and Lamont Ramage to be Advisory, At-Large Directors. I am all for Spellman because he was elected to be an Advisory Director........but Ramage has never been elected even as dog-catcher.
> >
> > Regards, Paul Langston 830-598-1322
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Milton Hawkins
> > To: 'Paul Langston' ; 'alfred stlouis' ; 'PEC Watchdogs'
> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 2:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Watchdogs] How much salary for a Gen. Manager?
> >
> >
> > MINUTES OF MEETING OF BOARD OF DIRECTORS
> >
> > PEDERNALES ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE, INC.
> >
> > March 16, 2009
> >
> > Activities for the month of February are as follows:
> >
> > Current number of PEC employees is 904.
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul, you?re about $100,000 off (too low) on the top assistants. Look at the Form 990?s for 2007
> >
> > (http://www.pec.coop/Documents/2007form990.pdf )
> >
> > and check page 242 of the Navigant Report
> >
> > (http://www.pec.coop/Documents/NavigantInvestigationReport.pdf ).
> >
> > And that?s for 2007. There was a bonus for 2008, as you well know.
> >
> > Milton
> >
> >
> >
> > From: watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org [mailto:watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org] On Behalf Of Paul Langston
> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:05 PM
> > To: alfred stlouis; PEC Watchdogs
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] How much salary for a Gen. Manager?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Alford: The number of hourly employees is reported monthly by the PEC staff in the Monthly Report at the Director meetings.
> >
> > I think that there are about 840 hourly employees. Then we add on the Executives of the PEC, the ones that get about $100,000 to about $200,000 salaries. Then there is the General Manager who gets about $400,000 net.
> >
> > To be realistic, we have to count in the salaries of the Directors, about $50,000 ea. Then we have to consider the pay of the Lawyers and the Lobbyists that are ever with us but this salary information is not reported to us.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you have always worked for Corporations that made a profit or went out of business then you know that normally, General Managers get paid for increasing the value of the stock and getting the company to grow, increasing profit and sales volume.
> >
> >
> >
> > Co-ops like PEC do not have outstanding shares and do not make a profit. Co-ops have a monopoly hold on their customer-owners and effectively have no competition.
> >
> >
> >
> > Co-ops generally call in a troop of very expensive Consultants to do a study of what all of the other Co-ops are paying their managers. These consultants do not consider the financial health of the Co-op under study. They do not consider the rates that the Co-op is charging their Owner-Members nor how many hours per week that the lights are out. Just how our Executives pay compares to all the other Managers seems to be the sole criterion.
> >
> >
> >
> > My opinion is that any of these Co-ops who effectively have the Member-Owners shut completely out of the Co-op business like PEC, have Executive salaries and multi- million dollar bonuses that are completely out of reason.
> >
> >
> >
> > PEC is not the only one, though.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards, H. P. Langston 830-598-1322
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: alfred stlouis
> >
> > To: langston at zeecon.com
> >
> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:59 AM
> >
> > Subject: RE: [Watchdogs] Rate Hearing only for NW Austin?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the update Paul. I am curious, do you how many employees there are in PEC? I am trying to figure out what a reasonable salary would be for the General Manager. I wasn't able to find this information on the web site. Al
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > From: langston at zeecon.com
> > To: stlouis_98 at hotmail.com; watchdogs at pec4u.org
> > CC: langston at zeecon.com
> > Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] Rate Hearing only for NW Austin?
> > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:11:31 -0500
> >
> > Dear Alfred: Don't bother. The Board has already set the date. June 1, for the next rate increase. Re. Board Packet for April 20,2009. These hearings are just for show & blow.
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Langston 830-598-1322
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: alfred stlouis
> >
> > To: watchdogs at pec4u.org
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:02 PM
> >
> > Subject: [Watchdogs] Rate Hearing only for NW Austin?
> >
> >
> >
> > Why no hearing for SW Austin? Don't our members count on this important issue?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> From: alfred stlouis <stlouis_98 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Watchdogs] Preferred Candidates
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> Thanks Milton, I am checking out these Candidates now. We have to be vigilant so that the Old Guard does not run a Trojan Horse candidate! Al
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> From: mhawkins at tstar.net
> To: stlouis_98 at hotmail.com
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> Subject: RE: [Watchdogs] Preferred Candidates
> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:00:29 -0500
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> Dear Alfred,
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> I don?t know about a list of ?preferred candidates,? since that would immediately raise the question: Preferred by whom? But I would suggest that you can easily see where some of the candidates stand on the issues you are interested in by checking out the PEC4u Candidates Forum:
> http://pec4u.org/candforum09/index.php .
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> Cristi Clement (District 1), Larry Landaker (District 6), and Patrick Cox (incumbent in District 7, running unopposed) all have clear statements indicating where they stand on the important matters affecting PEC right now. Of particular importance, I think, is their view of the ownership rights of the membership.
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> Milton Hawkins mhawkins at tstar.net 830-868-9075
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> From: watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org [mailto:watchdogs-bounces at pec4u.org] On Behalf Of alfred stlouis
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> Is anyone working on a list of "preferred Candidates" for the Board Elections?
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> We need people on that Board who will work to get the COOP house in order. Also, I would like to see new Board members who will keep the heat on the thugs, pursue civil and criminal violations, and get the greedy ones to disgorge their ill begotten gains.
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