[Watchdogs] Drama

Sat Feb 7 17:06:43 CST 2009

Sue -

"Fiduciary cost of failed endeavors" - I'd be willing to consider the
concept, except it has no meaning. You may want to review the
definition of "fiduciary."

If you feel the need to admonish someone, the right thing to do would
be to turn your attention to Felps and the remaining old guard, who
are fiduciaries and as such must not put their personal interests
above that of the PEC membership. It is they who have helped cause the
PEC to become a national disgrace. Mr. Cox did absolutely the right
thing by asking for resignation of the Chairman. It's about time such
a motion was put forth by someone on the Board, although I respect the
patience Cox displayed by waiting for the consultant's report. Even if
his actions were doomed for failure, it's highly commendable to stand
up for justice, particularly when out-numbered on a public stage. It
would be disastrous if there weren't courageous people among us
willing to follow their conscience even though they may have realized
failure was a near certainty.

In certain situations I might agree with your argument that the public
relations cost outweighed the wisdom of the battle. However, for PEC,
the public relations damage was done long ago by those who would today
find comfort with your words. Additionally, in this situation, your
argument cuts both ways. If Felps or any one of his remaining 3
cohorts in crime were concerned about drama or the cost of further
disgrace, Felps would no longer be Chairman today. But they continue
to put their self-interest above PEC as a whole.

You have additionally overlooked the fact that the demand for Felps to
resign as Chairman did in fact provide a highly valuable
accomplishment. It is more clear than ever before, for the voting
membership as well as the appeals court, that the remaining Directors
continue to work in concert to hide their past transgressions. Their
conflict of interest could not have been made any more clear.

Finally, I didn't insinuate Linda was stupid or ignorant for sending
so many emails. The words "stupidy or ignorance" were Linda's own
disgraceful, mean-spirited and thoughtless words. What's worse, she
had the gall to say them about Mr. Cox, who has been honest and
forthright throughout this unfortunate process.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Sue Phillips <suephillips099 at live.com> wrote:
> I haven't been reading the pec4u emails for a while and today I am reminded
> why. There's a lot of condescending remarks whenever someone doesn't
> strictly
> adhere to some narrow view.
>
> Perhaps you should consider the fiduciary cost of failed endeavors. I don't
> think Linda was saying the old board members should stay in their officer
> positions, but rather admonishing the ineffectual attempt to oust
> them from office. There are more strategic and diplomatic methods for
> approaching
> this kind of situation that could have very possibly been successful, thus
> saving the members from further cost and drama.
>
> Just about anyone could have told you they wouldn't resign, especially given
> the way that it's been publicly demanded of them. So why on earth would
> anyone attempt to realize a goal following a path they know won't get them
> there? That sounds like a huge waste of resources to me.
>
> As for your insinuation that Linda is "stupid or ignorant" for sending
> multiple
> emails, which has happened to others on this site and I believe is a server
> issue, shows a
> lack of...something. Perhaps you and Milton and the Daves can get together
> and write some
> collaborative mean-spirited stuff. I imagine you'll feel quite good about
> yourselves
> when you do, at least temporarily.
>
> Sue
>
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> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:48:48 -0600
> From: douglasmink at gmail.com
> To: rogers-pec7 at live.com
> CC: watchdogs at pec4u.org
> Subject: Re: [Watchdogs] Drama
>
> Ms. Rogers,
>
> Thanks for the 9 emails or so. Perhaps it's just as you wrote: "To expect
> anything different was either pure stupidy or ignorance."
>
> Before your next email, perhaps you will take a moment to study up on the
> concept of fiduciary duty. As Wikipedia states, a fiduciary duty is the
> highest standard of care. A fiduciary is expected to be extremely loyal to
> the person to whom he owes the duty: he must not put his personal interests
> before the duty, and must not profit from his position as a fiduciary,
> unless the principal consents. The 4 directors who didn't cooperate with
> PEC's internal investigation, and who voted against the motion by Director
> Cox, broke the cardinal rule of a fiduciary: Those 4 directors have
> continually and blatantly put their personal and legal interests ahead of
> their duty to PEC. Your rant against Director Cox for a supposed use of bad
> judgment is, to put it mildly, highly illogical. With every new email you
> send, I grow ever more thankful that you did not win election to the PEC
> Board.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Linda Kaye Rogers <rogers-pec7 at live.com>
> wrote:
>
>
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> From: rogers-pec7 at live.com
> To: watcdogs at pec4u.org
> Subject: Drama
> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:04:57 -0500
>
> As a long-time professional trained in  assessment of human
> behavior,communication, (including verbal and non-verbal), I am very
> disappointed in Mr. Collin's report of the events at the meeting where Mr.
> Cox proposed that Mr. Felps and Mr. Harmon step-down from their officer
> positions.  Again, as a professional, I repeatedly say that your
> perception is your reality.  When one is completely biased and closed to
> anything outside of their wants or beliefs, then TRUTH is very hard to
> perceive.  My observation was that first of all, this whole thing was for
> show and to give the media more "fodder" and Mr. Cox more "drama" upon which
> to look good to the ones who have bought into all the media partial truths.
> But more on that at another time.
> I believe that for those who wish to have an open mind, you will view the
> the video and see that Mr. Felps was very hurt by this move.  His emotion
> was raw and painful, and  he said that he would try to move beyond that, but
> would remember (the hurt).  A wise man once said....."to err is human, to
> forgive, divine"  Few of us are reaching for divinity, but are just human.
> I daresay that Mr. Collins, Mr. Cox, or YOU, the reader, cannot say that you
> have not been hurt by someone, and that that hurt took a long-time to heal,
> if ever.   You may have moved-on in the relationship, but the memory of
> the pain lingered. The expectation that Mr. Felps be "divine" is pretty
> unrealistic, by anyone's perception!   I saw no "glaring" or animosity, just
> pain and embarrassment.  Those are very different emotions from anger and
> hostility.
> Now, about Mr. Cox demonstrating rather poor judgement, from my
> perspective.  He KNEW this would not fly.  How could he not know---the four
> older directors were put in a corner and of course they would unite.  To
> expect anything different was either pure stupidy or ignorance. And I don't
> think Mr. Cox is either one of these.  He also had other information
> that made it clear this  is how the vote would go. So, why do it?  To make a
> show. To further fuel the the fire of "old vs new".  I cannot think of any
> reason other than these possibilities. If anyone really wants to have all
> the facts, go back and review the many times there has been cohesive voting,
> or when one of the older directors has voted against one of his/her fellow ,
> purported "old guard" members.  True, not often, but it has happened.
>  For those of you who are unable to attend the meetings, please do not rely
> on just the media, or the info that is presented in this chat forum.  There
> is always more than one side to the coin.  As a member, I would really like
> to see "less show and more work" at the meetings.  That's hard to do when
> "drama" is high on the agenda.
> PECoop member  Linda Kaye Rogers
>
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